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Boek der Reuzen
Zoals wellicht gemerkt ben ik momenteel het Gilgamesj epos aan het lezen. In het boek word ook verwezen naar het Boek der Reuzen. Dat klinkt erg interessant! Reuzen komen wel meer in de Bijbel voor, maar word natuurlijk mythisch bedoeld want reuzen hebben nooit bestaan volgens de kerk (en ons maatschappelijk denkbeeld). In het Boek van Henoch word er vrijwel alleen maar gesproken over reuzen waardoor het vanzelfsprekend niet in de Bijbel opgenomen is. Daarom vind ik het vreemd om te zien dat er mensen stug blijven vol houden, dat de Bijbel 'echt' is, maar alles daar buiten niet. Terwijl nu toch min of meer onomstreden is vast gesteld dat de overige boeken gewoon 'part of it' zijn. Hier een mooi overzichtje van veel teksten die min of meer buiten de Bijbel werd gehouden.
Het boek der reuzen behoort tot de Dode Zee-rollen. Het Boek der Reuzen zou gevonden zijn in Grot 6.
Late weerklanken van het epos
Het Gilgamesj-epos is niet direct uitgestorven met het verdwijnen van de spijkerschrifttalen. De namen van Gilgamesj en Choembaba komen voor in de Qumran-rollen uit grot 4, die uit de 2e eeuw v. chr. dateren. In het Boek der Reuzen zijn hun Aramese namen: 'Gílgamis' en 'Hôbabis'.
Het Gilgamesj-Epos,Theo de Feyter, blz 24
Henoch in het Boek der Reuzen
Dit apocriefe geschrift, dus niet opgenomen in de Bijbel, moet in de oudheid zeer populair en wijdverbreid geweest zijn. Op de vindplaatsen Qumran, bij de Dode Zee in, zijn fragmenten van negen geschriften hiervan gevonden. Ook in Turfan, Iran zijn resten ervan teruggevonden. Helaas verkeren deze allen in zeer slechte staat en is het verhaal moeilijk te volgen, sterker nog, er is geen enkele complete versie van gevonden. In het Boek der Reuzen worden de namen van de Nephilim genoemd en komen ze bij Henoch om hem hun dromen te laten uitleggen. Ze voorzien namelijk hun naderend einde door de zondvloed. Ook de Babylonische held Gilgamesh komt in het verhaal voorbij. Een gegeven dat de aartsvader Henoch, en dus de Thora (Bijbel), verbindt met Babylon. De waarschijnlijke plaats waar de ideeën ontstonden voor de teksten in de Thora (Bijbel), namelijk tijdens de Babylonische ballingschap van de Israëlieten. Ook de Babylonische Mani (216-276) stelde een Boek der Reuzen samen. Hij baseerde zijn boek op oudere geschriften.
De Nag Hammadi geschriften, Jacob Slavenburg en Willem Glaudemans, Blz. 679-680
Op internet vind ik diverse versies van het Boek der Reuzen. Zoals hier. In deze versie word duidelijk Gilgamesj genoemd.
De reuzen blijven me fascineren. In de (belangrijkste) teksten worden reuzen aangehaald. Het is zeker niet iets van in de oudheid of van tegenwoordig in fabeltjes en tekenfilms. In 1600 was er bijv. in Drenthe een Predikant (en historicus), Johan Picardt, die overtuigd was dat er vroeger reuzen hebben geleefd. Zo zouden volgens hem de hunnebedden door reuzen zijn gemaakt. Binnen de theosofie word min of meer algemeen aangenomen dat reuzen in een eerder tijdperk hebben geleefd, zoals bijv. beschreven in een van hen belangrijkste werken De Geheime Leer.
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Hier trouwens nog leuke informatie over reuzen t.o.v. Kelten / Germanen :
http://www.spiripedia.nl/Reuzen.html
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[quote=""Dromen" post=55821"]Meesten kennen Henoch wel: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henoch

REcentelijk nogal wat informatie over 'vrij' gekomen, zie ook:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boek_van_Henoch

Voorheen was dit 1 wiki pagina! Ik schreef al eens een stukkie over.

Ook 'grappig' is dus dat Henoch 'ingewijd' / 'ingewijde' betekend. ;-) Las ik vanmiddag in boek van Farwerck.

Oneline boeken:
http://henkenmialeene.org/boeken/het_enoichon/

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/[/quote]

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[quote=""Dromen" post=46016"]Hier trouwens nog leuke informatie over reuzen t.o.v. Kelten / Germanen :
http://www.spiripedia.nl/Reuzen.html[/quote]

^^Nice...Ik geloof niet in sprookjes Dromen maar wel in reuzen ;), vooral Kelten, Germanic stammen...en de Romeinen, wat echte helden waren in mijn ogen vind ik prachtig om over te lezen. Gelukkig hebben die reuzen gefaald in hun missie's(dankzij de Romeinen)om de kleinere vormen van de mensheid(homo sapien) uit te roeien en de wereld te veroveren. Eigenlijk waren die reuzen maar voor 1 ding gefokt, oorlog, ons uitroeien, wat ze dus niet gelukt is ondanks hun grootte, kracht, snelheid en technologie en uiteindelijk zich zelf hebben vernietigt, want reuzen waren ook altijd oorlog aan het voeren met elkaar. Reuzen waren uit balans met de aarde, te groot, altijd honger, te agressief, dus pakken wat je pakken kan, een soort van mega parasieten. Vandaar dat ze ook graag kleiner wilde worden, door zich te vermengen met ons. Maarrr, daar komen de Romeinen, die uiteindelijk de Keltische reuzen versloegen, en zich als het ware specialiseerde in de art of giant killing, en dat toepaste om de stammen met reuzen 1 voor 1 uit te roeien. De over gebleven stammen moesten vluchten naar de Britse eilanden, Ierland, en Scandinavie.
Hieronder nog wat leuk leesvoer:

"Many historians confirm the great height of these wandering Celts. The ancient Greek historian Pausanias, for example, called them the world's tallest people. Gerhard Herm, his modern counterpart, agrees. He describes them as "blond giants" who struck terror into the hearts of every foe, even in the mightiest of the mighty Rome, which they fought several ferocious wars with and which they once captured, sacked, and burned to the ground.

"Of course, not all Celts were giants. The average-sized ones probably towered no more than a foot above ordinary men. But their ranks also contained substantial numbers who rose to a gigantic stature.

"At the utmost divergence from the mean, some Celts even stood to a colossal height, perhaps as tall or taller than the nine-foot-nine Goliath, or even Og, who required a bed over thirteen feet long. Such behemoths, when they first put their ships ashore on Europe's seacoasts, no doubt startled the aborigines.

"Doing as they did in Asia and Asia Minor, the invading Celts first robbed these lesser mortals, then chased them off the best lands. As they multiplied and required even more territory, they crowded still others out. This fast-expanding nation, according to Strabo, eventually grew to some sixty different tribes — each with its own name.

"In Upper Asia, Mesopotamia, and Asia Minor, these plunderers were known as the Gomarian Sacae. But once they settled in Europe, the decided to shed their derisive name, which means "robbers", and began calling themselves the Celtae (pronounced "Kelti"), which denotes "potent and valiant men". The Greeks, however, understood them to say Galatai, while their Roman neighbors heard their name as Galli. The aborigines of France, meanwhile called them Gauls.

"These slightly different pronunciations of course caused different spellings, as the Celtic scholar Henri Hubert explains: "The word which was written down as Keltos in Spain and the neighborhood of Marseilles sounded differently in the ears of the Greeks of the Balkan Peninsula, who wrote it down Galates. But it was the same name". (Bron: DeLoach, "Celtic Giants", 54-55.)""


""The plundering Celts and Gauls, who initially met only token opposition moving northwest through Greece, soon came into conflict with the powerful Roman Empire. One subgroup of the Celts, the Senones, actually attacked and managed to sack Rome around 387 b.c. Facing off for the first time against 30,000 screaming Goliaths, enraged by grave insults done them by Roman envoys, the Romans were terrified and ran as soon as their lines broke at the Battle of Allia:

"That terrifying July day the Latins would never forget. The great size of the Celts unnerved them. Some of the giants they saw wore chain-wrought iron cuirasses, and some wore only shirts gathered up with belts plated with gold or silver. But many wore no armor nor clothes, preferring instead to go into battle naked. Most, however, wore overlong broadswords slung around the right flanks on chains of iron or bronze. The spears and javelins they brandished give us some idea of their strength. On the spears were affixed iron heads a cubit in length and even more [18-20 inches], and a little under two palms in breadth. [Their swords were] about 96 inches [8 feet] long....

"But the terror the Romans felt at the Allia sprang not from the Celt's height and armaments alone. These supermen also assaulted their eyes and ears with fierce looks, deep voices and pre-battle antics. One of these antics called for some of the huge Celtic champions, when they were formed for battle, to step out in front of their lines, brandish their large weapons menacingly at their smaller adversaries and challenge the most valiant among them to single combat.

"We do not know whether any Romans accepted such a challenge at the Allia, but if they did, according to Celtic custom, each challenger would have then broken forth into a song praising the valiant deeds of his ancestors and boasting of his own high achievements, while at the same time reviling and belittling his opponent, and trying by such talk to strip him of his bold spirit before the combat. Not just the champion warriors, but the whole Celtic army took part in this psychological warfare. Beating their swords rhythmically against their shields, they assailed the enemy's ears with a tumult of almost intolerable sound.

"The whole country round seemed filled with their exceedingly loud war cries, accompanied by the unceasing blare of innumerable giant boar-headed war trumpeters and horn blowers" (Bron "Rome vs. Senone Giants", 249-251)""

The Germani:
Rome's first real challenge against the Germani came when some 300,000 Cimbri had crossed the Danube and had started migrating southward looking for new lands to possess. Even the giant Gauls were afraid of these Germani, and asked for Roman protection from their hyperaggressive cousins.

"The first few armies the Romans sent to check their advance were annihilated, and Rome itself was saved only when the Germani decided to head west to find greener pastures in Spain. The desperate Romans then sent for one of their greatest generals, Gaius Marius, who whipped the legions into shape and successfully defeated the Tuetone and Ambrone tribes, even capturing their giant King Tuetobokh, who towered above even the Roman spears. The terrible Cimbri still remained however, but Marius had a plan.

"On the appointed day, one hundred and eighty thousand Cimbri took up a position in the plain. There they formed a square whose sides measured nearly four miles. Behind them waited their wives and children and the other noncombatants, with their wagons. From the throats of the vast multitude of warriors and even their families now came horrible war cries and shouted singing. Meanwhile, the horn blowers and trumpeters rent the air with their stirring calls to battle. The charioteers began lining up in their appointed places.

"Some of their splendidly adorned cavalry, which numbered 15,000, pranced about, eager for battle. They wore helmets made to resemble the heads of wild beasts with gaping jaws, and above those rose plumes of feathers. This adornment, as calculated, caused them to appear even more frightful, even more invincible, and even more enormous than they already were.

"As the savage hosts worked themselves into a frenzy, Marius and his legionnaires approached from the east, with the sun and wind at their backs. As the Roman legionnaires entered the field, the great Cimbri army set itself into a motion that Plutarch likened to the billowing of a furious ocean at high tide.

"As was their custom, the bravest of the Cimbri, with blood-curdling yells, led the attack. So that their ranks might not be broken, those in the forefront bound themselves together with iron chains attached to their belts. This surging tide of blond barbarian giants the Roman foot soldiers attacked first with their javelins. The breech this created allowed the Romans to get inside the Cimbri lines with their swords. As the battle progressed, a big cloud of dust arose from beneath the combatants' trampling feet. The light wind at the Romans' backs blew this dust mostly into the faces of the Cimbri. The hot August sun also began to hinder their sight.

"To shut out the harsh glare, the heavy-sweating Cimbri warriors now and then lifted their shields at the sun, thus exposing more of their large bodies to the Romans, who slew them almost at will. After great numbers had been killed and it became evident to those still alive that there was no chance to turn the tide of battle, many brave German giants bound themselves together with chains to fight to the last man.

"But some sought refuge among their wagons. Then before the Roman's eyes occurred a most unusual scene. The female giants, reports Plutarch, "slew all that fled, some their husbands, some their brethren, others their fathers." With their hands they then throttled their little children and threw them under the racing wheels of retreating chariots or before the pounding hoofs of horses or draft animals. Then they killed themselves" (Bron"German Giants' Annihilation", PP. 101-102).

A History of Germany, zie daar Chapter I & II
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/36484/36 ... 6484-h.htm

...en een tijd waar Giants en Romeinen 1 worden, nouja voor een korte periode dan.

Maximinus
Born in AD 173 into a humble family of Thracian shepherds, Maximinus proved his giant heritage by growing to the enormous height of eight feet six inches tall(2,65 meter). And Maximinus was no victim of pituitary disorder — he proved to be an exceptional athlete, as well as being incredibly strong and swift — and power hungry.
Maximinus was first noticed by Emperor Alexander Severus in AD 202, during a layover in Thrace on his way back from a tour of Asia. As his son's birthday had come around during his time in Thrace, the emperor sponsored some games for the occasion, matching the local Thracians against his Roman retinue. Maximinus then proceeded to defeat sixteen of the emperor's best in wrestling matches and other feats of strength, which so impressed the Romans that they immediately conscripted him for the army. Maximinus even took the bold step of racing against the emperor's horse, keeping pace with the horse even at full gallop. For this and his exceptional wrestling ability, Maximinus was immediately made part of the emperor's personal guard.
Herodian says Alexander's new commander not only stood to a huge height but possessed a frightening look. Statues of Maximinus and coins minted with his image bear this out. Another Roman historian, Julius Capitolinus, described his hands as so large that he used the bracelet of his wife, Caecilia Pauline, for a thumb-ring. The shoes he wore also measured a foot longer than the footwear of other men. Besides the feats of strength already mentioned above, Maximinus reportedly could, with one blow of his fist, knock out a horse's teeth. On occasion he also demonstrated he could outpull a chariot team. Capitolinus says that he daily ate forty pounds of meat and usually drank six gallons of wine.14
Besides Maximinus' exceptional physical abilities, he also had exceptional intellectual abilities, proving to be a superior leader, strategist and tactician. As a result, he rose rapidly up through the ranks, the emperor soon promoting him to the rank of tribune, senator, and even supreme commander of all the armies of Rome. The soldiers were in awe of him due to his extreme competence, diligence and discipline, and they rarely if ever failed under his leadership. As a result, they soon came to prefer him over their own emperor and, in a sudden coup, assassinated Alexander and placed the purple mantle on Maximinus, effectively crowning him emperor.
However, his sudden ascension to emperor brought out Maximinus' limitations, and his dark side. Although grateful to his men for giving him such a great honor, promising them lavish gifts and double pay, he made a critical mistake in not first checking if Rome could in fact afford to pay such an exhorbitant amount. He made another critical mistake by ransacking the treasury, stealing from the wealthy of Rome, and even pillaging the temples of the gods in order to raise the necessary revenues. Maximinus had essentially made the decision to turn Rome's entire economy towards funding the army, in effect turning Rome into a military state, to the exclusion of all else, even going against the gods.
In reaction to rumors of an assassination plot, Maximinus then turned extremely paranoid, killing not only everyone who involved in the plot, but anyone who opposed or offended him in any way. He even killed off those who had been his early supporters, as they knew him before his ascension to emperor and thus knew "too much". As a result, he began to receive the unflattering informal titles of "the Cyclops", "the Busiris", and even "the wild beast". A song was even composed by his own men that spoke of his death. Aware of this and his extreme unpopularity in Rome, and since they had never completely accepted him, the Senate used the excuse of a tax revolt in a distant African province to replace the increasingly unpopular Maximinus with one of their own, Gordian. Enraged by their betrayal and his now certain doom, Maximinus "behaved like a huge, tormented bear. Convulsed with rage, he dashed himself against walls, threw himself on the ground, bellowed, lashed out at his servants, tried to claw his son's eyes out, and finally drank himself into a stupor." He then martialed his forces to put down the tax revolt, but his mutinous army refused and he was finally dispatched by a unit of the Praetorian Guard as he slept.
Maximinus, like all giants, believed himself to be superior to all, including the gods. However, when things had turned against him, his true, beastly nature emerged. Magnifying himself above even the gods of Rome, he attempted to turn the entire economy of Rome towards war, turning Rome itself into a war machine, to the exclusion of all else. Magnifying himself in his own heart, Maximinus attempted to make war against all mankind, and even the gods themselves, but in the end he was cast down and destroyed by his own arrogance — the fate of all giants past, present and future.
(Bron, Charles DeLoach. uit http://books.google.ca/books/about/Gian ... iAAAAAMAAJ)
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With all respect, maar om de Romeinen 'goed' te noemen en de Kelten 'verkeerd', denk ik dat je een zéér grote fout maakt ;-)

Vanzelfsprekend is ons jarenlang geleerd dat de Romeinen 'goed' waren, immers, zij waren de eerste die uitgebreid een schrift na lieten aan ons. Ze konden bijv. de Germanen niet verslaan 'dus dan moesten het wel hele wrede, uit de hel gekomen, boze schepselen zijn!'
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Romeinen!.....Rare Jongens... :huh:

@Mec, toen ik jouw post las moest ik aan een wereldkaart denken waarop een lijn loopt vanaf Egypte naar Rome. Van Rome naar Londen en van Londen naar Washington. Ik kan die kaart nog ff niet vinden. Ondertussen luisterde ik naar een leuk verslag over een Cosmati Floor in Londen...

Let eens goed op wat er vanaf 04min55 sec wordt gezegd... ;)


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[quote=""Dromen" post=55919"]With all respect, maar om de Romeinen 'goed' te noemen en de Kelten 'verkeerd', denk ik dat je een zéér grote fout maakt ;-)

Vanzelfsprekend is ons jarenlang geleerd dat de Romeinen 'goed' waren, immers, zij waren de eerste die uitgebreid een schrift na lieten aan ons. Ze konden bijv. de Germanen niet verslaan 'dus dan moesten het wel hele wrede, uit de hel gekomen, boze schepselen zijn!'[/quote]

Het was niet mijn bedoeling om alle reuzen alleen maar als bloeddorstige monsters neer te zetten want dat is natuurlijk niet zo, de theosofie zegt zelfs dat er hele wijze reuzen zijn geweest die een volk op een goede manier regeerden enz. Haha iets wat we bijvoorbeeld behoorlijk missen bij onze leiders van nu. Btw ik ben al een tijdje helemaal gek van al die reuzen,hehe…vooral die kelten en wat die romeinen betreft, rare jongens die romeinen :P
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Zéér interessant BB!! Ik vraag mij ook meteen af of dit ook niet geldt voor het Al Hambra! Al Hambra was/is voor mij echt een van de mooiste culturistische plekken ooit. O.a. het Paleis van Karel V vond ik héél speciaal. Kippevel. Met name ook het verhaal.
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We zijn groot :silly:

Ga het werderbruder topic weer is een beetje aan slingeren, veel info is verspreid op forum en niet goed meer terug te vinden: index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&c ... =120#36859



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Hier 2 interessante links. Met name deel 2 komen Nephilim ter sprake:

http://www.assayya.com/science/Koningen1.htm
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[quote=""Mec" post=55897"][quote=""Dromen" post=46016"]Hier trouwens nog leuke informatie over reuzen t.o.v. Kelten / Germanen :
http://www.spiripedia.nl/Reuzen.html[/quote]

^^Nice...Ik geloof niet in sprookjes Dromen maar wel in reuzen ;), vooral Kelten, Germanic stammen...en de Romeinen, wat echte helden waren in mijn ogen vind ik prachtig om over te lezen. Gelukkig hebben die reuzen gefaald in hun missie's(dankzij de Romeinen)om de kleinere vormen van de mensheid(homo sapien) uit te roeien en de wereld te veroveren. Eigenlijk waren die reuzen maar voor 1 ding gefokt, oorlog, ons uitroeien, wat ze dus niet gelukt is ondanks hun grootte, kracht, snelheid en technologie en uiteindelijk zich zelf hebben vernietigt, want reuzen waren ook altijd oorlog aan het voeren met elkaar. Reuzen waren uit balans met de aarde, te groot, altijd honger, te agressief, dus pakken wat je pakken kan, een soort van mega parasieten. Vandaar dat ze ook graag kleiner wilde worden, door zich te vermengen met ons. Maarrr, daar komen de Romeinen, die uiteindelijk de Keltische reuzen versloegen, en zich als het ware specialiseerde in de art of giant killing, en dat toepaste om de stammen met reuzen 1 voor 1 uit te roeien. De over gebleven stammen moesten vluchten naar de Britse eilanden, Ierland, en Scandinavie.
Hieronder nog wat leuk leesvoer:

"Many historians confirm the great height of these wandering Celts. The ancient Greek historian Pausanias, for example, called them the world's tallest people. Gerhard Herm, his modern counterpart, agrees. He describes them as "blond giants" who struck terror into the hearts of every foe, even in the mightiest of the mighty Rome, which they fought several ferocious wars with and which they once captured, sacked, and burned to the ground.

"Of course, not all Celts were giants. The average-sized ones probably towered no more than a foot above ordinary men. But their ranks also contained substantial numbers who rose to a gigantic stature.

"At the utmost divergence from the mean, some Celts even stood to a colossal height, perhaps as tall or taller than the nine-foot-nine Goliath, or even Og, who required a bed over thirteen feet long. Such behemoths, when they first put their ships ashore on Europe's seacoasts, no doubt startled the aborigines.

"Doing as they did in Asia and Asia Minor, the invading Celts first robbed these lesser mortals, then chased them off the best lands. As they multiplied and required even more territory, they crowded still others out. This fast-expanding nation, according to Strabo, eventually grew to some sixty different tribes — each with its own name.

"In Upper Asia, Mesopotamia, and Asia Minor, these plunderers were known as the Gomarian Sacae. But once they settled in Europe, the decided to shed their derisive name, which means "robbers", and began calling themselves the Celtae (pronounced "Kelti"), which denotes "potent and valiant men". The Greeks, however, understood them to say Galatai, while their Roman neighbors heard their name as Galli. The aborigines of France, meanwhile called them Gauls.

"These slightly different pronunciations of course caused different spellings, as the Celtic scholar Henri Hubert explains: "The word which was written down as Keltos in Spain and the neighborhood of Marseilles sounded differently in the ears of the Greeks of the Balkan Peninsula, who wrote it down Galates. But it was the same name". (Bron: DeLoach, "Celtic Giants", 54-55.)""


""The plundering Celts and Gauls, who initially met only token opposition moving northwest through Greece, soon came into conflict with the powerful Roman Empire. One subgroup of the Celts, the Senones, actually attacked and managed to sack Rome around 387 b.c. Facing off for the first time against 30,000 screaming Goliaths, enraged by grave insults done them by Roman envoys, the Romans were terrified and ran as soon as their lines broke at the Battle of Allia:

"That terrifying July day the Latins would never forget. The great size of the Celts unnerved them. Some of the giants they saw wore chain-wrought iron cuirasses, and some wore only shirts gathered up with belts plated with gold or silver. But many wore no armor nor clothes, preferring instead to go into battle naked. Most, however, wore overlong broadswords slung around the right flanks on chains of iron or bronze. The spears and javelins they brandished give us some idea of their strength. On the spears were affixed iron heads a cubit in length and even more [18-20 inches], and a little under two palms in breadth. [Their swords were] about 96 inches [8 feet] long....

"But the terror the Romans felt at the Allia sprang not from the Celt's height and armaments alone. These supermen also assaulted their eyes and ears with fierce looks, deep voices and pre-battle antics. One of these antics called for some of the huge Celtic champions, when they were formed for battle, to step out in front of their lines, brandish their large weapons menacingly at their smaller adversaries and challenge the most valiant among them to single combat.

"We do not know whether any Romans accepted such a challenge at the Allia, but if they did, according to Celtic custom, each challenger would have then broken forth into a song praising the valiant deeds of his ancestors and boasting of his own high achievements, while at the same time reviling and belittling his opponent, and trying by such talk to strip him of his bold spirit before the combat. Not just the champion warriors, but the whole Celtic army took part in this psychological warfare. Beating their swords rhythmically against their shields, they assailed the enemy's ears with a tumult of almost intolerable sound.

"The whole country round seemed filled with their exceedingly loud war cries, accompanied by the unceasing blare of innumerable giant boar-headed war trumpeters and horn blowers" (Bron "Rome vs. Senone Giants", 249-251)""

The Germani:
Rome's first real challenge against the Germani came when some 300,000 Cimbri had crossed the Danube and had started migrating southward looking for new lands to possess. Even the giant Gauls were afraid of these Germani, and asked for Roman protection from their hyperaggressive cousins.

"The first few armies the Romans sent to check their advance were annihilated, and Rome itself was saved only when the Germani decided to head west to find greener pastures in Spain. The desperate Romans then sent for one of their greatest generals, Gaius Marius, who whipped the legions into shape and successfully defeated the Tuetone and Ambrone tribes, even capturing their giant King Tuetobokh, who towered above even the Roman spears. The terrible Cimbri still remained however, but Marius had a plan.

"On the appointed day, one hundred and eighty thousand Cimbri took up a position in the plain. There they formed a square whose sides measured nearly four miles. Behind them waited their wives and children and the other noncombatants, with their wagons. From the throats of the vast multitude of warriors and even their families now came horrible war cries and shouted singing. Meanwhile, the horn blowers and trumpeters rent the air with their stirring calls to battle. The charioteers began lining up in their appointed places.

"Some of their splendidly adorned cavalry, which numbered 15,000, pranced about, eager for battle. They wore helmets made to resemble the heads of wild beasts with gaping jaws, and above those rose plumes of feathers. This adornment, as calculated, caused them to appear even more frightful, even more invincible, and even more enormous than they already were.

"As the savage hosts worked themselves into a frenzy, Marius and his legionnaires approached from the east, with the sun and wind at their backs. As the Roman legionnaires entered the field, the great Cimbri army set itself into a motion that Plutarch likened to the billowing of a furious ocean at high tide.

"As was their custom, the bravest of the Cimbri, with blood-curdling yells, led the attack. So that their ranks might not be broken, those in the forefront bound themselves together with iron chains attached to their belts. This surging tide of blond barbarian giants the Roman foot soldiers attacked first with their javelins. The breech this created allowed the Romans to get inside the Cimbri lines with their swords. As the battle progressed, a big cloud of dust arose from beneath the combatants' trampling feet. The light wind at the Romans' backs blew this dust mostly into the faces of the Cimbri. The hot August sun also began to hinder their sight.

"To shut out the harsh glare, the heavy-sweating Cimbri warriors now and then lifted their shields at the sun, thus exposing more of their large bodies to the Romans, who slew them almost at will. After great numbers had been killed and it became evident to those still alive that there was no chance to turn the tide of battle, many brave German giants bound themselves together with chains to fight to the last man.

"But some sought refuge among their wagons. Then before the Roman's eyes occurred a most unusual scene. The female giants, reports Plutarch, "slew all that fled, some their husbands, some their brethren, others their fathers." With their hands they then throttled their little children and threw them under the racing wheels of retreating chariots or before the pounding hoofs of horses or draft animals. Then they killed themselves" (Bron"German Giants' Annihilation", PP. 101-102).

A History of Germany, zie daar Chapter I & II
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/36484/36 ... 6484-h.htm

...en een tijd waar Giants en Romeinen 1 worden, nouja voor een korte periode dan.

Maximinus
Born in AD 173 into a humble family of Thracian shepherds, Maximinus proved his giant heritage by growing to the enormous height of eight feet six inches tall(2,65 meter). And Maximinus was no victim of pituitary disorder — he proved to be an exceptional athlete, as well as being incredibly strong and swift — and power hungry.
Maximinus was first noticed by Emperor Alexander Severus in AD 202, during a layover in Thrace on his way back from a tour of Asia. As his son's birthday had come around during his time in Thrace, the emperor sponsored some games for the occasion, matching the local Thracians against his Roman retinue. Maximinus then proceeded to defeat sixteen of the emperor's best in wrestling matches and other feats of strength, which so impressed the Romans that they immediately conscripted him for the army. Maximinus even took the bold step of racing against the emperor's horse, keeping pace with the horse even at full gallop. For this and his exceptional wrestling ability, Maximinus was immediately made part of the emperor's personal guard.
Herodian says Alexander's new commander not only stood to a huge height but possessed a frightening look. Statues of Maximinus and coins minted with his image bear this out. Another Roman historian, Julius Capitolinus, described his hands as so large that he used the bracelet of his wife, Caecilia Pauline, for a thumb-ring. The shoes he wore also measured a foot longer than the footwear of other men. Besides the feats of strength already mentioned above, Maximinus reportedly could, with one blow of his fist, knock out a horse's teeth. On occasion he also demonstrated he could outpull a chariot team. Capitolinus says that he daily ate forty pounds of meat and usually drank six gallons of wine.14
Besides Maximinus' exceptional physical abilities, he also had exceptional intellectual abilities, proving to be a superior leader, strategist and tactician. As a result, he rose rapidly up through the ranks, the emperor soon promoting him to the rank of tribune, senator, and even supreme commander of all the armies of Rome. The soldiers were in awe of him due to his extreme competence, diligence and discipline, and they rarely if ever failed under his leadership. As a result, they soon came to prefer him over their own emperor and, in a sudden coup, assassinated Alexander and placed the purple mantle on Maximinus, effectively crowning him emperor.
However, his sudden ascension to emperor brought out Maximinus' limitations, and his dark side. Although grateful to his men for giving him such a great honor, promising them lavish gifts and double pay, he made a critical mistake in not first checking if Rome could in fact afford to pay such an exhorbitant amount. He made another critical mistake by ransacking the treasury, stealing from the wealthy of Rome, and even pillaging the temples of the gods in order to raise the necessary revenues. Maximinus had essentially made the decision to turn Rome's entire economy towards funding the army, in effect turning Rome into a military state, to the exclusion of all else, even going against the gods.
In reaction to rumors of an assassination plot, Maximinus then turned extremely paranoid, killing not only everyone who involved in the plot, but anyone who opposed or offended him in any way. He even killed off those who had been his early supporters, as they knew him before his ascension to emperor and thus knew "too much". As a result, he began to receive the unflattering informal titles of "the Cyclops", "the Busiris", and even "the wild beast". A song was even composed by his own men that spoke of his death. Aware of this and his extreme unpopularity in Rome, and since they had never completely accepted him, the Senate used the excuse of a tax revolt in a distant African province to replace the increasingly unpopular Maximinus with one of their own, Gordian. Enraged by their betrayal and his now certain doom, Maximinus "behaved like a huge, tormented bear. Convulsed with rage, he dashed himself against walls, threw himself on the ground, bellowed, lashed out at his servants, tried to claw his son's eyes out, and finally drank himself into a stupor." He then martialed his forces to put down the tax revolt, but his mutinous army refused and he was finally dispatched by a unit of the Praetorian Guard as he slept.
Maximinus, like all giants, believed himself to be superior to all, including the gods. However, when things had turned against him, his true, beastly nature emerged. Magnifying himself above even the gods of Rome, he attempted to turn the entire economy of Rome towards war, turning Rome itself into a war machine, to the exclusion of all else. Magnifying himself in his own heart, Maximinus attempted to make war against all mankind, and even the gods themselves, but in the end he was cast down and destroyed by his own arrogance — the fate of all giants past, present and future.
(Bron, Charles DeLoach. uit http://books.google.ca/books/about/Gian ... iAAAAAMAAJ)
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Interessant stuk(ken) nu schiet bij de vraag naar binnenmij: Wie heeft de reuzen gefokt dan?
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vr 06 jul 2012, 19:22

Reuzen zijn gecreëerd door hogere wezens, net als ons de mens, plus dat hij ook nog eens zijn verdere aanpassingen hiervan heeft gekregen.

Edit; oja dit is leuk voordat de vraag komt 'wie fokte dan die hogere wezens? '

Uit Genesis 1

God zei: ‘Laten wij mensen maken'.

Wie is wij?

ons evenbeeld zijn, die op ons lijken.

Wie is ons?
(Wie het weet mag het zeggen :p )

God schiep de mens als zijn evenbeeld, als evenbeeld van God schiep hij hem, mannelijk en vrouwelijk schiep hij de mensen.

nu weer enkelvoud God.

Er is hier dus al sprake van mensen, mannetjes en vrouwtjes. (dus niet slechts Adam en Eva)
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zo 02 sep 2012, 17:56

Volgens de latere Maltese folklore zouden reuzen de tempels hebben gebouwd, hetgeen tot de benaming ?gantija leidde: 'Gigantentoren' .[11] De Maltese linguïst Joseph Aquilina was van mening dat Mnajdra het verkleinwoord zou zijn van 'mandra' , ofwel een stuk grond beplant met gecultiveerde bomen. Maar hij vernoemde ook de arbitraire afleiding van de Arabische wortel 'manzara' , die ‘een plaats met commando-uitzicht’ betekent[12] De Tarxien-tempels danken hun naam aan de plaats waar ze gevonden werden (afkomstig van “Tirix”, een ‘grote steen’), zoals ook de opgravingen in Skorba.

Over de Megalitische tempels op Malta
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