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en dan mijn reactie op de tekst????? mmmm om eerlijk te zijn nwo, had ik meer van je verwacht. maar dat is waarschijnlijk mijn beeld van jou en zegt dus meer over mij, lol.
Inderdaad, maar dat geeft niet. Ik heb het neer gezet zoals ik het ook tegen iemand zou zeggen. Zonder make-up, zonder toestanden en fratsen.
anywayzzz, wat ik bedoelde te zeggen is dat t allemaal niet zo zwart wit ligt als dat t er uit ziet.
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Character Types of Satanists
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A light-hearted summary of different types of Satanists. Here I model Satanists into four basic types: Evangelists, Infernals, Practicals and Diabolicists. People, especially Satanists, are notorious for not fitting very well into such boxes. So please bear in mind that no person fits entirely into one box below, and some people fit none of them. Some people, the true Demons, excel in all four categories!

Infernals

Life is Satan's Inferno, Leviathan sized oceans of sexual expression.

Infernals are history's notorious Satanists. Surrounded by orgies, drugs, sex and infamy, these are the true Rock and Roll Satanists. These are lives lived to the full, burning the candle at both ends and setting the world alight with horror and uproar.

Infernals live the lifestyle. They are risk takers and pleasure seekers. Sometimes with dubious morals and short sighted fun, their parties have hit the history books of Satanism. They don't necessarily study Satanism, but their lives are proof that they understand every last letter of the word "indulgence" and that is about as Satanic as you can get if you care more for a full life than a long one.

Their credentials are unquestioned. Satanists give a nod to the Infernals whether they called themselves Satanists or not, sometimes with jealousy sometimes even with shock at their recklessness. If caught in an interview they're more likely to rant incoherently than actually enlighten the world... however their wanton desire for life is still inspirational and contagious even if it is slightly

Evangelists

Lucifer's Lawyers.

Presenting themselves as intellectuals and philosophers, web site authors (ahem...) and public figures, Satanic Evangelicals are critical thinkers and activists. Evangelists are sometimes inspirational and sometimes boring. They are sometimes Lucifer's elite intellectual underground, divining the wills of the demons. Evangelists are the Computer Keyboard Warriors.

I cannot help being critical of the Evangelists, as I find self-humour irresistible.

Evangelists sometimes struggle to justify and explain away the fuel burning frenzy of the Infernals. The Infernals do not care for the theory or philosophy of Satanism, they just want to have fun. Evangelists take pride and power in planning and thought, Infernals take enjoyment in physical gratification. Both are hedonistic, Infernals externally and evangelists internally.

Evangelists are the saviours of Satanism, book writers and intelligent public speakers. The most popular members of the Priesthood of Mendes will be evangelists: Probably Infernals in their private time too, but hey the Priesthood are elected for their success.

Practicals

Underground army of Belial.

Practicals sometimes frown upon the pointless meanderings of the evangelist. They share the point of view of the Infernals: Why bother justifying ourselves? Quit all that fussing over words and get on with your life already! Practicals also frown upon the hedonistic and reckless Infernals. What a waste of life! Like the Evangelicals, though, there is surely some envy in their criticism of the bold Infernals!

The Practicals are consistent, normal. They apply Satanism in their lives without burning out and without getting bogged down in details or philosophy. Just do it however you want. Ultimately sensible. "Sensible" coming from the mouth of a Satanic Evangelist type is a compliment. But the Infernals disagree, according to them sensible, like "political correctness", is just a boring waste of time and more of a restriction than a blessing!

“I am me first, a Satanist second. The way I believe all things in life should be approached.”

TheOptimist (2001 Nov 09)

The practicals may study Satanism privately and perform secret rituals. They toy with the idea of attending Grottos and meetings and may do, sometimes, but firstly they are themselves with their own lives. Sometimes mysterious, they can also be:

The Hidden Ones

The Practicals include the class of Satanist who are not public about their beliefs. Those Satanists who aligned themselves with the Church of Satan but do not tell their friends or relatives. It is personal. Their secret source of power needn't be discussed or debated, it just is. In my experience around London I've met a few Hidden Ones, they contact someone more Evangelical every now and then just as nod of mutual respect.

First-Level Satanists

“Most of us will be what LaVey termed "First-level" Satanists; we appear to be akin to the rest of society, in terms of our jobs, outward appearances, homes and leisure interests - but we apply Satanism positively to give us that extra something we can't find anywhere else. And we use magic and ritual as we see fit.”

(Dylan Clarke in Rule Satannia Issue 4 (2004))

Diabolicists

Oh, those pesky attention seeking types! But wait a minute, despite the inversion, parody, blasphemy and confrontationalism there really is a serious and deep intellectual message behind their actions. Many are not merely seeking attention to themselves, but to the ridiculousness of the concepts that they mock. They do not often achieve the same level of historical memorability as the Infernals, because the things that shock people change over time.

Taking symbolism from anywhere, from 666 to pig's blood, the Diabolicists are as hated as the Infernals by those American Christian anti-rock activists (you know who I mean). They're as likely to irritate Satanists as anyone else, their arguments and apologetics are shoddy and immature and they're not entirely good at the whole "society" thing either. But out of this rebellious mess will eventually emerge a fully Demonic, mature person.

Diabolicists, in general, grow up to become Satanic Infernals, Satanic Practicals or maybe even Satanic Evangelists. Some drop all the imagery and become ordinary, sensible atheists.

Some actually never change, using their parody and the sense of outrage to send serious messages into society, to inspire the kids to question the taboos and to cause a stir in a way that the stoic Evangelists may fail to do. Sometimes shock factor just has no substitute!

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Heee, die ken ik :-*

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[quote name="8lou1"]en dan mijn reactie op de tekst????? mmmm om eerlijk te zijn nwo, had ik meer van je verwacht. maar dat is waarschijnlijk mijn beeld van jou en zegt dus meer over mij, lol.

nwo je hebt me al een eerder gevraagd wat ik bv met hera moet als ik moslim ben. het lijkt zo tegenovergesteld. Ik kan je een ding verzekeren: dat is het niet!!!!

ik heb links en rechts leren lezen denken en leven en ben er door die ervaringen achter dat links en rechts het zelfde voorstaan. Er is alleen een ander gebruik van taal en symboliek.

ik heb t nu over de beleving en niet over hoe t er uit ziet en hoe dat bespeeld wordt. net zoals satanisme gekke beelden op roept die niet met de werkelijkheid stroken, zo is dat met alle wegen.

Om eerlijk te zijn vind ik t een beetje, mmm weet geen net woord,laat ik t maar houden op de woorden van ons aller maxima: ik vind het een beetje dom dat er tegenwoordig niet meer na gedacht wordt over de bestaande religies.

de ware essentie van t leven is niet in woorden te vatten en nu bestaan er een aantal geschriften waarin men toch zijn best heeft gedaan en dan schrijven we die bij voorbaat al af omdat icke dat zegt of omdat bush christelijk is of omdat de pope een nazi is of omdat DE illuminati het als machtsmiddel zou gebruiken.

ik zou zeggen onderzoek alles en blijf onderzoeken. uiteindelijk zit overal zoveel betekenis in als je er zelf in legt en kan kabouter plop heilig worden verklaard.


anywayzzz, wat ik bedoelde te zeggen is dat t allemaal niet zo zwart wit ligt als dat t er uit ziet.

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Ik vind het een beetje tegensprekend soms (links / rechts om dan te zeggen dat wij wel oordelen over religies / geschriften).

Maar sowieso, beste 8lou1, hebben bijv. de Rozenkruizers en de Vrijmetselaars de geschriften (o.a. de Bijbel) erg hoog in hun faandel. Als ik bovenstaande over het Satanisme lees, dan denk ik dat ook het Satanisme deze geschriften héél hoog in hun faandel heeft.

Dat 'wij' religie niks vinden, houd niet in dat wij álles wat met religie te maken heeft fout en kut vinden ;-)
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[quote name="NextWorldOrder"]Heee, die ken ik :-*

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[quote name="PakNak"][quote name="NextWorldOrder"]Heee, die ken ik :-*

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Satanic Social Ethics and Teachings on Morality in Satanism
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Legalism: How to Approach 'Rules' in Satanism

"Satanism is individualistic, not legalistic, especially when it comes to morals and rules. Outsiders to Satanism sometimes approach the rules and laws too legalistically: they assume that like religions they are familiar with that there is a taboo involved in breaking the laws of Satanism. There is no taboo. It is not compulsory for Satanists do follow "rules". It is not expected. Satanists never engage in debates over whether someone has broken these. A Satanist who absconded another and said "hey, aren't you forgetting this particular Satanic Rule of the Earth..." would be laughed at and generally considered a legalistic sheep. Unless of course that the Satanist in question cannot defend himself, in which case, he's fair game. A left hand path religion is where the individual mostly learns for hirself what is right or wrong. According to one's personal beliefs "right" and "wrong" can differ greatly. There are very few absolutes or universals in Satanism.”
("Laws, Sins and Rules of Satanism: A Lack of Legalism"
Vexen Crabtree (2002))

The First Satanic Statement: Satan Represents Indulgence, Instead of Abstinence!

This is the first of the nine Satanic Statements. Anton LaVey expanded on this:

“The difference between indulgence and compulsion [is] indulgence can be controlled, compulsion controls.”

"The Devil's Notebook" by Anton LaVey (1992)2

If withholding something from yourself increases a later reward, then the route of tactical self denial is the most pleasurable route. As a Satanist is a long term tactician, patience and discipline are seen as methods of achieving happiness and ecstasy. According to LaVey, the same reasoning leads us to the conclusion that drugs are bad for indulgence in that they cause an imbalance that, in the long term, reduces the pleasures of normal experience. This is not the extreme compulsive indulgence of the self-destructive, nor is it asceticism. Like the Buddhists say, it is a "Middle Way".

Book Cover“May I not fall under the power of misleading, stupifying passions.”

The Tibetan Book of the Dead
Quoted in "Buddhism"
Clive Erricker (1995)

Although Buddhists might hold that all desires and attachments are misguided because they keep us tied to this world where we cannot experience nirvana (annihilation), Satanists are emplored to remain fully committed to the materialism of this world, enjoy life anyway, and not to seek an escape!

Altruism and Selfishness

"A Satanist will not hesitate to admit to being self-centered, selfish and hard and will tell you that you too, have all these qualities in abundance. Satanism is a wholly self-centered philosophy. But most the Satanists I know are normal, social and friendly beings. What gives? A critic could say that our actions do not match our beliefs.

Humans are social animals. We function as social animals and require social activities in order to remain sane, happy and mentally healthy. Being healthy is a must if you wish to live a long and indulgent life! Most mature Satanists display quite altruistic behaviour. Many Satanists find that making others happy makes themselves happy. Despite the individualism of the left hand path I think that being seen as good, nice or friendly by others is a requirement of our mental health and self esteem. Our ego demands that we are socially acceptable; it makes us unhappy to forfeit altruism, especially in the long-term.”

Sex and Sexuality: The Liberal Position

“Satanism is pro-sexuality. We should all shed the weird and stifling sexual inhibitions preached by the world's traditional religions; Sexuality is a pure form of pleasure, something that satisfies our deepest purpose in life. Modern life allows us to enjoy sex without the risks of unplanned pregnancies and sexual diseases assuming that sense is taken. Satanism supports any fetish, kink or flavor of sexual encounter as long as all parties involved are consenting. We are informed by modern and learned psychological, medical and scientific opinions on sex; there are no dogmatic principles or religious intolerance of sexualities within Satanism. It is very optimistic, positive and healthy: This can only be expected of such a carnal religion of the flesh such as Satanism! Some people like quality, some people like quantity: Just be responsible, take emotions and consequences into account, and above all, enjoy your life!”

Love

“Satanism is not a religion of hate, it is a religion of truth and of humanity. The Human emotion that best expresses our humanity is love. Hate is a dulling of the mind, a primal state that undermines the best Human qualities of intelligence, compassion and progress. Hatred has its place and cannot be done without, but, love is much, much more valuable: The emotions surrounding love are stronger than those of any other state; a Satanist does not deny the pleasure of love, the pleasure of doing good towards the ones (s)he loves, nor the pleasure of simply being in love. Love, affection and attention are necessary parts of a healthy mental life, whereas hate and bitterness can both be left behind (as long as you don't leave your wisdom behind too). Satan represents indulgence, and in doing so, Satan represents love.”

Discrimination and Prejudice

The lack of prejudice and discrimination in the Satanist community mirrors our principles that all people and animals share a common source in mere biology. Satanism is the belief that Humans are nothing more than higher animals - we have no special place in creation other than being lucky to have evolved and survived. When we die we all suffer the same fate of non-existence no matter how good/bad we were in our lives.

There is a form of selective discrimination and it is based on a persons knowledge, power and style. Let's face it, stupid people, invisible people and unimpressive people are not easily accepted into the Satanic community. In the case of stupidity/ineffectualism the exclusion is certain. This type of exclusion is not prejudice but survivalist and occurs after learning about the individual person and not before. Therefore it is not prejudice, in that it is not presumptuous, but it is a dogmatic exclusion.

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LOL
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di 09 nov 2010, 18:03

maar wel een leuke vraag.
als het misbruiken van jongens slecht zou zijn, zou god er dan geen stokje voor steken?
Hehehehe, "neuken met God....." :smokey:


tuurlijk zou god er geen stokje voor steken, dankzij eva kunnen we nu toch zelf kiezen, remember :rudolfsteiner:

Ik zou trouwens een heel artikel kunnen schrijven waarom het juist goed is om met koorknaapjes naar bed te gaan. maar om het kort te houden refereer ik even aan wat leesvoer: marquis de sade http://supervert.com/elibrary/marquis_de_sade/
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Er is zelfs een Hermetisch geheimpje dat ook niet iedereen kent......tenminste HOE het werkt. 8)

In onze verre geschiedenis gingen namen Koningen, veroveraars en anderen van aanzien jonge vrouwen mee naar bed als deze notabelen "ziek" waren of "zonder kracht" waren.
Na een aantal dagen naast zo'n jonge meid (altijd vrouwen) te hebben door gebracht (en bij gestaan door een (School)Priester, werden de heersres weer gerevitaliseerd en werden soms zelfs beter.
Voor de goede orde er werd alleen maar geslapen naast zo'n jonge vrouw. Er was geen sprake ven lichamelijk contact. ;-)

Zoek maar eens op verder.........interessante materie.

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di 09 nov 2010, 19:19

Ja ja...beetje energie weg tappen van een jong en gezond lichaam. De trlling van het zieke lichaam omhoog brengen....

iets met Tuning forks...
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Yup! :dans:
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di 09 nov 2010, 19:29

Zelf gebruik ik er ook een versie van:

Wanneer ik eens slap ben of zonder energie of ik heb inspiratie nodig voor wat dan ook, das zoek ik juist mensen massa's op. Kijk, alles in de natuur heeft de neiging zich te nivelleren naar de "grondtoon", zeg maar. Die grondtoon is te vinden o.a. in mensen massa's. En dan bedoel ik zoiets als de markt, een kermis, anything! Als de mensen in kwestie maar hun eigen ikkie zijn en de dingen van alle dag doen. Het heeft geen zin om je te begeven in een opgefokte massa, zoals een voetbalwedstrijd, een demonstratie of iets dergelijks.......

My 666 cents. :smokey:
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di 09 nov 2010, 19:32

Verrrrryyy interesting!

Kun je zelf ook zoiets 'uit jezelf' doen?!

edit: en dan bedoel ik dat energie-tappen?
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