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De meeste onder hullie weten allang dat olie door moeder aarde wordt gemaakt. Meer dan al die dikke klote beesten bijelkaar hebbe kunne maken.
Welke boerelul gelooft dat nog? Yeah sure femmie godin halsema want die doos wille hullie op de kast jagen, van hey het gaat op, eet geen vlees koopt een windmolen en veel zonnepanelen want die drap gaat op.
Nope die drap gaat nooit op want die drap benne abiotisch.
Abiotisch is een ander woord voor niet uit dooie dingen enzo.


Nog een keer olie komme niet uit dooie dingen,dooie dingen vind hullie in de haag zoals femmie de pemmie en nog meer van dat gespuis.

Sure veel olie komme ook van saturnus tijdens de mega flare zo'n 5700 jaar geleden maar het meeste spul maakt moeder aarde.
Is dit grensverlegend? Ik hoop dat die dooie snol van een pemmie het leest.
We zijn nu zover dat mainstream wetenschaapjes het ook hebbe ontdekt ze zeggen het volgende:
It has been hypothesized that these hydrocarbons might originate abiotically from serpentinization reactions that are occurring deep in the Earth's crust
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0015399
sure we moeten er nog even aan wennen maar we moeten nog aan boel heelveel veel wennen want zolang femmie daaro in de haag de godinsnol uithange gebeurt er geen reet.

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De olie raakt NOOIT op! Dat vermoeden was er al een tijdje maar nieuw onderzoek bevestigd dit!
Je denkt toch niet dat olie een fossile vloeistof is? Schijtman zoveel dino's hebben er nooit op deze planeet kunnen lopen!

Discovery backs theory oil not 'fossil fuel'
New evidence supports premise that Earth produces endless supply

A study published in Science Magazine today presents new evidence
supporting the abiotic theory for the origin of oil, which asserts oil is
a natural product the Earth generates constantly rather than a "fossil
fuel" derived from decaying ancient forests and dead dinosaurs.

Giora Proskurowski
Lost City is a hypothermal field some 2,100 feet below sea level that
sits along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge at the center of the Atlantic Ocean,
noted for strange 90 to 200 foot white towers on the sea bottom.

In 2003 and again in 2005, Proskurowski and his team descended in a
scientific submarine to collect liquid bubbling up from Lost City sea
vents.

Proskurowski found hydrocarbons containing carbon-13 isotopes that
appeared to be formed from the mantle of the Earth, rather than from
biological material settled on the ocean floor.

Carbon 13 is the carbon isotope scientists associate with abiotic origin,
compared to Carbon 12 that scientists typically associate with biological
origin.

Lost City Vents
Proskurowski argued that the hydrocarbons found in the natural
hydrothermal fluids coming out of the Lost City sea vents is attributable
to abiotic production by Fischer-Tropsch, or FTT, reactions.

As WND reported in 2005, a NASA probe to Titan, the giant moon of Saturn,
discovered abundant Carbon-13 methane that the agency declared to be
abiotic in origin.

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Er staat ook op Grenswetenschap nog een artikel waar de twee theorieën worden behandeld over de herkomst van aardolie, met oa. deze vragen:

Áls aardolie afkomstig was van dino's en planten, dan moeten er onvoorstelbaar veel van aanwezig zijn geweest; méér dan wiskundige modellen voor mogelijk houden.
Uitgeputte oliebronnen worden verlaten. Als men na verloop van tijd opnieuw gaat kijken bevatten ze opnieuw olie.
Volgens een nieuw onderzoek wordt methaan geproduceerd onder condities die we ook in de aardmantel aantreffen.
Men vindt olie op dieptes waar nooit organisch materiaal kan geweest zijn.
Op Titan, een maan van Saturnus, treffen we hoge concentraties olie, methaan en koolwaterstoffen aan. Dat is bijzonder vreemd aangezien er aan de andere kant geen melding is van dinosaurussen of planten op Titan. Hetzelfde geldt ook voor andere plaatsen in het zonnestelsel, aldus NASA

 
Het Kerogeen-mysterie
Het mengsel kerogeen vormt de sleutel in de olie-aanmaak. Vooraleer ik u het mysterie schets is het belangrijk te weten wat de gevestigde orde bedoelt met kerogeen. Wikipedia helpt:
Kerogeen, ook wel aardwas genoemd, is een mengsel van een groot aantal chemische verbindingen, dat een belangrijk deel uitmaakt van de organische materie die in sommige sedimentaire gesteenten aanwezig is, vooral wanneer zij in een anoxische situatie werden gevormd. Het kerogeen bestaat uit verbindingen van hoofdzakelijk koolstof en waterstof met een hoog moleculair gewicht (van meer dan 1000). Bij normale temperaturen zijn zij vast of taai vloeibaar (bitumen).
Als kerogeen wordt blootgesteld aan temperaturen van tegen de 100 graden Celsius, vallen de grote moleculen in kleinere uiteen en vormt zich aardolie. Bij nog hogere temperaturen wordt het grotendeels omgezet tot methaan (aardgas). Kerogeen vormt een belangrijk bestanddeel van de teerzanden. (bron)
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‘Peak Oil’ en de Golf van Mexico
http://boinnk.nl/blog/tag/dossier/

Wat is de reden dat BP en vele andere maatschappijen in de Golf van Mexico zijn gaan boren op een zo extreme diepte: tot ver in de basaltlaag van de oppermantel van de aarde?

In zijn artikel ‘Rusland bewijst het bedrog van Peak Oil’ ( meldt Joe Vialls in 2004 hoe de Russen in 1970 begonnen de Kola SG-3 oliebron te exploreren. Op een recorddiepte van 40.230 voet vonden zij in de oppermantel van de aarde een vrijwel onuitputtelijk oliereservoir.

Het was op slag duidelijk: de olievoorraad is niet eindig. En — veel belangrijker nog — niet alle olie heeft een fossiele oorsprong (de Amerikaanse ‘peak oil’-mythe). Die in de Golf is abiotisch van aard. Dat wil zeggen, olie komt voort uit doorgaande natuurlijke chemische processen, diep in het hart van de aarde.

Sinds hun ontdekking boorden de Russen niet alleen succesvol 310 nieuwe extreem diepe (land)oliebronnen aan op eigen bodem, maar — tot grote razernij van de Amerikanen — verspreidden zij hun techniek ook naar andere landen: China, Korea, Vietnam (het White Tiger Project) en India. De Indiase ultradiepe oliebron Bodra #3 werd verschillende malen overduidelijk door de Amerikanen gesaboteerd. Wanneer dat niet was gebeurd en de boring niet was gestaakt, dan had de wereld een totale ommekeer beleefd in het referentiekader van energiereserves en -gebruik.

Met de Deepwater Horizon probeert BP in de Golf van Mexico simpelweg de ultra-diepe landboringen van de Russen te overbluffen.

BP blijkt bepaald niet de enige kaper op de kust: de kaart van het noordelijk deel van de Golf van Mexico toont maar liefst zo’ 4.000 actieve off-shore olie en gas platforms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gulf_ ... tforms.jpg
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The evolution of multicomponent systems at high pressures: VI. The thermodynamic stability of the hydrogen–carbon system: The genesis of hydrocarbons and the origin of petroleum

J. F. Kenney†‡§,
Vladimir A. Kutcherov¶,
Nikolai A. Bendeliani?, and
Vladimir A. Alekseev?

†Gas Resources Corporation, 11811 North Parkway, Floor 5, Houston, TX 77060; ‡Russian Academy of Sciences, Joint Institute of Earth Physics, Bolshaya Gruzinskaya 10, 123810 Moscow, Russia; ¶Russian State University of Oil and Gas, Leninski Prospect 65, 117917 Moscow, Russia; and ?Russian Academy of Sciences, Institute for High Pressure Physics, 142092 Troitsk, Moscow Region, Russia

Communicated by Howard Reiss, University of California, Los Angeles, CA (received for review April 3, 2002)

http://www.pnas.org/content/99/17/10976.full
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The idea that a significant proportion of petroleum and natural gas resources are of non-biological origin is still considered controversial, but increasingly there is discussion, observation and experimentation

http://www.bestthinking.com/articles/sc ... s-on-india
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En dan ga maar meteen een stap verder met dat die niet biologische bron de reden dat er leven op aarde is. :)
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Shortly after 1800, other scientists postulated that "rock oil", for that is what it was originally called, was derived from abiotic chemical processes and the debate has been going forward ever since, although admittedly the "fossil" theory got the upper hand, but now with oil found off the coast of Brazil, the Gulf of Mexico, and the West African coast that is below the salt barrier, sometimes as deep as 25,000 feet below the sea floor and in water over 5,000 feet deep, at pressures and temperatures that violate all tenents of the so-called "oil window" corollary of how oil would form in the "fossil" theory, it's becoming increasingly apparent that oil is abiotic.

A majority of the giant and super giant oil fields are located above deep faults in the Earth, commonly called "tectonic faults" (see link below):

http://www.hgs.org/en/articles/printview.asp?236

Powerful forces of group-think in petroleum geology circles, plus incentive to propogate the idea that oil is scarce maintain the "fossil" fuel paradigm.

But there is a substantial and overwhelming body of scientific evidence that clearly supports the conclusion that oil is abiotic.

"We suggest a third possibility--the generation of methane and heavier hydrocarbons through reactions that occur during cooling, fractionation, and deposition of dolomitic carbonates, metal-rich black shales, and other minerals from hydrothermal metagenic fluids. These fluids are proposed to be the product of serpentinization of carbon-rich peridotites under hydrogen-rich, reduced conditions."

Ok, begin hier maar mee: http://www.gasresources.net/

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There is almost always a panorama of objectors to Abiotic Oil theory. Some are "doomers" that refuse to have their "doom" spoiled (I include "peak" oil advocates in the "doomer" label), some are "global warmers" who want to use "peak" oil as a justification for moving beyond oil, some are investors and speculators in oil who see general knowledge of increased oil supplies as a threat to their investments and schemes, some are oil geologists who can't stomach the idea they have been wrong about the origin of oil all these years (or specifically, make their living off some discovery technique dependent on oil being a "fossil" fuel), some are just your average Joes that always defend the status quo because they have been brought up thinking oil is a "fossil" fuel.

The "establishment" (power structure) is comfortable as it is, and doesn't want to see that changed, but many people in the know and in high places understand oil is abiotic.

Ok Joe doe maar een refill: http://www.gasresources.net/OnSpontanei ... lVasyl.htm
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F*cking goed nieuws; waarschijnlijk alle pagina's nog intact van het huidige topic. In ieder geval 6 pagina's van de 8.

Als het zondag regenachtig is, en ik heb mn nieuwe laptop ter beschikking, dan knal ik dan alles online ;-)
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Als dit waar is,is dat idd wereld nieuws en tevens een mooi bewijs voor het bestaan van complotten;of dit is een complot,of peakoil is een complot,maar één van de twee is dus zeker een complot,en nu maar hopen dat peakoil het complot is .
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Abiotic Oil: Science or Politics?

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Ugo Bardi

www.aspoitalia.net

[Ugo Bardi is professor of Chemistry at the University of Florence, Italy. He is also member of the ASPO (Association for the study of peak oil). He is the author of the book "La Fine del Petrolio" (the end of oil) and of several studies on oil depletion.

Ugo Bardi offers a simple assessment of the abiotic theory. His logic is so clear, and the culmination of his argument is so cogent, that even a child could understand it. And the conclusion is inescapable - at least to honest enquiry - abiotic theory is false, or at best irrelevant. -DAP]

OCTOBER 4, 2004: 1300 PDT (FTW) -- For the past century or so, the biological origin of oil seemed to be the accepted norm. However, there remained a small group of critics who pushed the idea that, instead, oil is generated from inorganic matter within the earth's mantle.

The question might have remained within the limits of a specialized debate among geologists, as it has been until not long ago. However, the recent supply problems have pushed crude oil to the center stage of international news. This interest has sparked a heated debate on the concept of the "production peak" of crude oil. According to the calculations of several experts, oil production may reach a maximum within a few years and start a gradual decline afterwards.

The concept of "oil peak" is strictly linked to a view that sees oil as a finite resource. Several economists have never accepted this view, arguing that resource availability is determined by price and not by physical factors. Recently, others have been arguing a more extreme view: that oil is not even physically limited. According to some versions of the abiotic oil theory, oil is continuously created in the Earth's mantle in such amounts that the very concept of "depletion" is to be abandoned and, by consequence, that there will never be an "oil peak."

The debate has become highly politicized and has spilled over from geology journals to the mainstream press and to the fora and mailing lists on the internet. The proponents of the abiotic oil theory are often very aggressive in their arguments. Some of them go so far as to accuse those who claim that oil production is going to peak of pursuing a hidden political agenda designed to provide Bush with a convenient excuse for invading Iraq and the whole Middle East.

Normally, the discussion of abiotic oil oscillates between the scientifically arcane and the politically nasty. Even supposing that the political nastiness can be detected and removed, there remains the problem that the average non-specialist in petroleum geology can't hope to wade through the arcane scientific details of the theory (isotopic ratios, biomarkers, sedimentary layers and all that) without getting lost.

Here, I will try to discuss the origin of oil without going into these details. I will do this by taking a more general approach. Supposing that the abiogenic theory is right, then what are the consequences for us and for the whole biosphere? If we find that the consequences do not correspond to what we see, then we can safely drop the abiotic theory without the need of worrying about having to take a course in advanced geology. We may also find that the consequences are so small as to be irrelevant; in this case also we needn't worry about arcane geological details.

In order to discuss this point, the first task is to be clear about what we are discussing. There are, really, two versions of the abiotic oil theory, the "weak" and the "strong":

- The "weak" abiotic oil theory: oil is abiotically formed, but at rates not higher than those that petroleum geologists assume for oil formation according to the conventional theory. (This version has little or no political consequences).

- The "strong" abiotic theory: oil is formed at a speed sufficient to replace the oil reservoirs as we deplete them, that is, at a rate something like 10,000 times faster than known in petroleum geology. (This one has strong political implications).

Both versions state that petroleum is formed from the reaction of carbonates with iron oxide and water in the region called "mantle," deep in the Earth. Furthermore, it is assumed (see Gold's 1993 paper) that the mantle is such a huge reservoir that the amount of reactants consumed in the reaction hasn't depleted it over a few billion years (this is not unreasonable, since the mantle is indeed huge).

Now, the main consequence of this mechanism is that it promises a large amount of hydrocarbons that seep out to the surface from the mantle. Eventually, these hydrocarbons would be metabolized by bacteria and transformed into CO2. This would have an effect on the temperature of the atmosphere, which is strongly affected by the amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) in it. The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is regulated by at least two biological cycles; the photosynthetic cycle and the silicate weathering cycle. Both these cycles have a built-in negative feedback which keeps (in the long run) the CO2 within concentrations such that the right range of temperatures for living creatures is maintained (this is the Gaia model).

The abiotic oil-if it existed in large amounts-would wreak havoc with these cycles. In the "weak" abiotic oil version, it may just be that the amount of carbon that seeps out from the mantle is small enough for the biological cycles to cope and still maintain control over the CO2 concentration. However, in the "strong" version, this is unthinkable. Over billions of years of seepage in the amounts considered, we would be swimming in oil, drowned in oil.

Indeed, it seems that the serious proponents of the abiotic theory all go for the "weak" version. Gold, for instance, never says in his 1993 paper that oil wells are supposed to replenish themselves.1 As a theory, the weak abiotic one still fails to explain a lot of phenomena, principally (and, I think, terminally): how is it that oil deposits are almost always associated to anoxic periods of high biological sedimentation rate? However, the theory is not completely unthinkable.

At this point, we can arrive at a conclusion. What is the relevance of the abiotic theory in practice? The answer is "none." The "strong" version is false, so it is irrelevant by definition. The "weak" version, instead, would be irrelevant in practice, even if it were true. It would change a number of chapters of geology textbooks, but it would have no effect on the impending oil peak.

To be sure, Gold and others argue that even the weak version has consequences on petroleum prospecting and extraction. Drilling deeper and drilling in areas where people don't usually drill, Gold says, you have a chance to find oil and gas. This is a very, very weak position for two reasons.

First, digging is more expensive the deeper you go, and in practice it is nearly impossible to dig a commercial well deeper than the depth to which wells are drilled nowadays, that is, more than 10 km.

Secondly, petroleum geology is an empirical field which has evolved largely by trial and error. Petroleum geologists have learned the hard way where to drill (and where not to drill); in the process they have developed a theoretical model that WORKS. It is somewhat difficult to believe that generations of smart petroleum geologists missed huge amounts of oil. Gold tried to demonstrate just that, and all that he managed to do was to recover 80 barrels of oil in total, oil that was later shown to be most likely the result of contamination of the drilling mud. Nothing prevents others from trying again, but so far the results are not encouraging.

So, the abiotic oil theory is irrelevant to the debate about peak oil and it would not be worth discussing were it not for its political aspects. If people start with the intention of demonstrating that the concept of "peak oil" was created by a "Zionist conspiracy" or something like that, anything goes. In this case, however, the debate is no longer a scientific one. Fortunately, as Colin Campbell said, "Oil is ultimately controlled by events in the geological past which are immune to politics."
1 Thomas Gold, of Cornell University, has been one of the leading proponents of the abiotic oil theory in the West. The theory, actually, had its origin in the work of a group of Ukrainian and Russian scientists.

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Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 084259.htm

The significance of the paper was that the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Stockholm stands behind the research, institutional prestige being a big part of scientific acceptance and that the paper was published in the peer-reviewed journal, Nature Geoscience, which gives credibility to the thesis (yes, I know the problems with peer-reviewed journals, so, this is bittersweet in a way), and being picked up by ScienceDaily, a mainstream science media outlet.

The bottom line: Oil is Abiotic.
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Mooi artikel! Laat ik nou voor een voormalige Shell topman (een jaar of 1,5 terug) een cover / voorkant voor zijn boek ontworpen hebben...

El Oro Negro

Over de oorsprong van Olie en hoe Olie dus gemaakt wordt...

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Erg interessant topic dit dus!

Ga hier zeker even op inhaken!
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In dat boek staat onder andere te lezen dat Amerika zelf in Alaska nog voor de hele wereld (op basis van de vrij recente consumptie aantallen) voor zo'n 600 jaar (!!!!) aan olie voorraad heeft.

Ook Venezuela beschikt over een dergelijk grote voorraad. De betreffende voormalige topman van Shell en schrijver van het boek, heeft jaren lang gewoond en gewerkt voor Shell in o.a. Venezuela en heeft een zéér actieve bijdrage geleverd aan het in kaart brengen van deze twee hierboven door mij aangehaalde olie-voorraden.
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Economische malaise gaat aan North Dakota voorbij. http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4324/nieuws/a ... rbij.dhtml

waarom? Het barst er van de olie!

Dozens of fruitful wells beneath the rich Bakken shale in North Dakota continue to fuel a hunch among oilmen and geologists that another vast crude-bearing formation may be buried in the state's vast oil patch.

Lynn Helms, director of the state Department of Mineral Resources, said recent production results from 103 newly tapped wells in the Three Forks-Sanish formation show many that are "as good or better" than some in the Bakken, which lies two miles under the surface in western North Dakota and holds billions of barrels of oil...The Three Forks-Sanish formation is made up of sand and porous rock directly below the Bakken shale. But geologists don't know whether the Three Forks-Sanish is a separate oil-producing formation or if it catches oil that flows from the Bakken shale above.

...en zo kunnen we nog wel even doorgaan!

Welke boerelul haalt het nog in zijn hoof om over vogelhehakt molens te zeuren! Abgassen met die assholes! Ausrotten stelletje vogelgehaktmolen-untermenschen!
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zo 22 jan 2012, 22:39

Nachtmerrie bericht voor al die alternatieve energie mongolen....even gaan zitten...

...komme die: Why the Middle East fields may produce oil forever

Huh voor altijd? Yep voor altijd want kanne niet op het wordt meteen weer net zoveel aangemaakt als we het opmaken laat die boerelulle-nos journaal flippos maar lekker in het rond lullen,ze worden ervoor betaald!

den uil is in de olie, olie is in den uil ha ha heb die fake olie crisis meegemaakt in de jaren zeventig ze zeiden dat het bijna opwas of zo! Wat een giller!

Reservoirs recharging from below; reserves climbing despite long production history and few new discoveries

Increase in Saudi oil reserves. source: Hemer et al-1982; Hemer and Gohrbandt - 1986; World Oil -1994.
A section across the Arabian peninsula during Miocene when the Red Sea began to open. It shows the rift zone over ophiolite in the Tethys Sea, before the diapiric movement occurred.
The rift zone and magma chamber are magnified. Note the cumulative ultramafic and gabbroic rocks inside the chamber.
A section showing the eastward movement of the Arabian peninsula, and the diapiric movement of peridotite which led to overthrusting on both sides of high elevations in the mountain range of Oman. Note the closure of sea by subduction.
Map outline shows occurrence of oil fields through the Middle East, from the north of Oman (bottom right) to eastern Syria, corresponding to rotation, subduction, and rift formation associated with the Arabian plate.
Table: Iron catalyzes carbon, hydrogen in subduction zones.

het gaat maar door en door en door en door laat je niet gek maken door den haag enz enz...

http://www.offshore-mag.com/articles/pr ... rever.html

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