Geboortecertificaat Obama nep?

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vr 29 apr 2011, 00:44

Het is een ieder van ons hier op QFF vast niet ontgaan dat Donald Trump al een tijdje moeilijk aan het doen was vanwege het geboortecertificaat van Obama. Gisteren kwam Obama met een reactie en toonde het Witte Huis zijn geboortecertificaat. Voor de meeste mensen was het daarmee klaar.



Maar Vandaag zal ik op ATS wat rond te klikken toen ik tegen een artikel aanliep waarin iemand claimde dat er ergens CIA op het geboortecertificaat van Obama zou staan. Aangezien ik dagelijks mijn dag aanvang met het opstarten van Adobe Software in verband met mijn werk was het voor mij een fluitje van een cent om te checken of dat verhaal wat er op ATS stond wel klopte! Maar nadat ik zojuist het originele document opende in Adobe Photoshop CS5 constateerde ik dat het klopt! Er staat verdomme echt CIA in de schaduw van het document.

Kijkt U even mee?

Klik hier voor het originele document wat ik geopend heb in Photoshop.

Na het openen van het document heb ik er voor gekozen de kleurwaarden om te keren, het resultaat daarvan ziet er zo uit:



Opeens zie je dan vaag in de achtergrond lichte contrasten van tekst. Links naast Hussein zie je duidelijk de letters CIA...

Ook Alex Jones heeft zijn verhaal over het certificaat al klaar en samengevat in de onderstaande video op Youtube...



Wat de neuQ? Op deze wijze krijg ik wel degelijk twijfels over de echtheid van dit document. Heeft Trump dan toch gelijk? Wie het weet mag het zeggen... Dus roept U maar!
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vr 29 apr 2011, 01:23

En zelfs de PDF is inderdaad bewerkt!!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... g-form.pdf
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vr 29 apr 2011, 01:29

Heeft ook een keer een heel artikel over in de KIJK gestaan. Ik vind het wel erg vergezocht hoor...

Even tegengas:
http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/20 ... rt_bi.html
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Dit is een document dat gister voor het eerst gepubliceerd is, wat jij bedoeld is iets anders Dromen en geloof mij dit bestand is niet echt en er is oprecht mee gekloot, dat durf ik met meer dan 15 jaar Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Indesign, Painter, CorelDraw, Quarck Xpress etc. wel te stellen jah!

Hoe dom kun je zijn om dat zo online te zetten??

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Of is it all part of the game??
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vr 29 apr 2011, 01:47

ff van het dumpie hier naar toe:

Who, What, Why: Why the II in Barack Obama's name?
28 April 2011 Last updated at 14:37 GMT
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13221643

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The US president's birth certificate names him as "Barack Hussein Obama, II". Why does he qualify for the Roman numerals?

When the president released his long-form birth certificate on Wednesday, the focus was on his place of birth, to confirm what most people already knew - he was born in the US.

But it also shone a light on a rarely used part of his name, the II at the end.

The reason for it is, at root, quite simple - the US president has been given his father's name, Barack Hussein Obama. In societies where this is common practice, a method of distinguishing between fathers and sons (and sometimes grandfathers too) is useful.

In the US the son will usually be known as Joe Bloggs Junior. For example, Al Gore, the former US vice-president, is Albert Arnold Gore Jr, because his father was also Albert Arnold Gore.

oe Bloggs II would typically be used when a son is named after a relative other than his father - his grandfather, for example. However, it is also used, sometimes, as an alternative to Joe Bloggs Jr.

This is what the Behind the Name website has to say on the subject of Jr v II.

"Junior is used to distinguish a son with the same name as his father. The following conditions apply:

1. The Junior must be a son of the father, not a grandson.

2. The names must be exactly the same, including the middle name.

3. The father must still be living.

"'II' is used whenever any close relative, including for example a grandfather or a great-uncle, shares the same name as the child."
Kenyan tradition

Miss Manners' Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behavior, written by Judith Martin, takes the same line:

"The oldest living William Wellborn is numberless, and one starts counting Junior, III, IV (or 3d, 4th, a form Miss Manners prefers), and so on from there."

So according to Behind the Name and Miss Manners, the US president should definitely have been Barack Obama Jr, rather than Barack Hussein Obama II.

Is his name, therefore, excruciatingly incorrect?

Actually, it seems there are plenty of IIs in the US who have been named after their father.

"It's normally Junior, but it can be II," says Sharon Manitta, a spokesman in the UK for Democrats Abroad, whose brother is a Junior and who once dated a III. "It doesn't really matter."

The decision to put "II" rather than "Jr" on the birth certificate may not have been the parents' choice, she adds. It could have been taken by the Hawaiian official who registered the birth.

Barack Obama's Kenyan father would have been perfectly comfortable with the idea of passing on his own name to his son - it is a practice common not only in the US, but in his own country too, and especially among the Luo tribe, to which he belonged.

But there too, it would be normal to use the word "Junior" to refer to the son, according to the BBC's Noel Mwakugu in Nairobi.
The comma?

In the US, things change slightly once the third Joe Bloggs in a series comes along. Then even those who began as Juniors may become IIs.
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VI is the furthest down the line I have come across”

Sharon Manitta Democrats Abroad

"The designation of Sr or Jr to distinguish between father and son with all the exact same names (first, middle, & last), can be replaced by the Roman numerals, I and II, respectively, when the grandson has the exact same names," explain Dr Dave and Dr Dee, who provide advice on health, medicine, relationships, families, etiquette, manners and fashion.

"The grandson will then have a III after his name. The grandfather and father can continue to use Sr and Jr, respectively, or the numerals."

According to Sharon Manitta, the bigger numbers tend to be used mostly in swankier sections of society.

"Juniors are all over the place, but if it's getting painful - VI is the furthest down the line I have come across - then it's usually an upper-class family," she says.

Observant readers will note that Barack Obama's birth certificate also has a comma between the "Obama" and the "II".

Is this excruciatingly correct, or not? On this point, the authorities disagree. The Chicago Manual of Style is against the comma. Dundee Printing (For Life's Special Moments) is in favour.

At any rate, it seems unlikely to disqualify Barack Obama from holding the presidency.
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vr 29 apr 2011, 04:26

Of het was al vals en hebben het gedumped op hoop van zegen omdat ze niks anders hadden...Maar erg vaag zon bewerkt copietje plaatsen. Lijkt me niet zo moeilijk toch een onbewerkt fotocopietje plaatsen.

Of Obama wil weg voordat ie helemaal door de mand valt met zijn mooie beloftes van voor zijn aantreden, en doet ie dat zo en creeert gelijk nog wat verwarring bij heel veel mensen met de hoop dat er probleempjes uit ontstaan die weer opgelost moeten worden ;).
Ben benieuwd of er nog een ander certificaat tevoorschijn komt. Maar vage peop...
Wees aardig tegen mensen als je omhoog klimt, want je komt ze weer tegen als je naar beneden gaat...
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vr 29 apr 2011, 05:01

In de tv serie The Event, loopt er nu ook zo'n draadje (Firts Lady is in dit geval de verdachte).
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Nou ik geloof niet dat het echt is...waarom heeft het jaren moeten duren?

Als iemand twijfels heeft en je kan ze meteen oplossen door even je geboortebewijs te laten zien, doe je dat in die functie toch?
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RED ALERT!!! Massive cover-up underway in the White House! Natural Born Citizen Definition SCRUBBED FROM ALL ONLINE DICTIONARIES!!!
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Ladies and gentlemen, there is a MASSIVE cover-up underway.

BOTH Natural born AND natural born citizen now return NO RESULTS in searches on ALL active online dictionaries, with the sole exception of Wikipedia, redirects to Wikipedia, and quotes from Wikipedia.

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[It has been pointed out to me that there are still one or two dictionaries, Oxford in particular, that still has a definition for Natural Born. Natural Born Citizen still seems to be missing.]

Natural Born Citizen

[link to dictionary.cambridge.org]

[link to www.merriam-webster.com]

[link to www.webster-dictionary.org]

[link to oxforddictionaries.com]

[link to www.onelook.com]

[link to encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com]

[link to www.yourdictionary.com]

[link to wordcentral.com]

[link to www.ldoceonline.com]

[link to nhd.heinle.com]

[link to encarta.msn.com]

[link to www.hyperdictionary.com]

[link to www.macmillandictionary.com]

Proof that at least Oxford USED to have a definition:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This is some serious shit. Before Obama released his "long form" birth certificate last week, you could go to ANY online dictionary and view the definition of Natural Born Citizen, which is (roughly) as follows:

Nat|u|ral Born (Nach'er el Born', Nach'rel-), adj.

1 That is so by nature, born so: a natural born boxer, a natural born fool. 2 Native of a country; not alien: a natural born citizen or subject.

Photos of my own dictionary, World Book Edition copyright 1981:

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The reason this is important is because right now, there is an ongoing debate over at Wikipedia due to the scrubbing of references to Emerich De Vattel's work Law of Nations, right after Obama released his long form.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

They have maintained here that since Vattel wrote in French, and his exact wording for Natural-Born is, "Les Naturales ou indigenes" which literally translated would mean "the naturals or natives", Vattel can not be used as a reference for the wording of the Constitutional requirement of Natural Born Citizenship. But, Vattel's definition (in English) is as follows:

[link to www.constitution.org]

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

Regardless of Vattels original wording, it should be obvious to any critical thinker that if he was talking about "naturals" and defining who they were, it was to take as self explanatory that 1) these individuals had been born, and 2) they were citizens. And considering that natural, native, and Indigenous are all synonymous, It can not be disputed that Vattel was speaking about a person who's citizenship falls naturally upon them by virtue of birth, or to put it another way, a Natural Born Citizen. This work has been cited extensively by our forefathers, as can be witnessed in this video:



There can be NO disputing the fact that the definition of Natural Born Citizen is indeed one who is born to TWO parents, who are BOTH citizens. It is now undeniable that there is a very serious cover-up going on regarding this Constitutional requirement. I wish to point out the VERY RAPID succession of events that occurred over the last week:

April 27th

In response to growing demands to release his long form birth certificate, Obama finally reveals it to the public.

April 3oth

Obama appears in front of guests and on national TV at the White House Correspondence dinner to gloat in triumph over the release of this Long Form Birth Certificate, even as concern grows over the real issue, his Natural Born Citizenship Status.

May 1st

In a MAJOR political move, Obama appears on live TV to announce the death of Osama Bin Laden earlier that day.

People, this is a CUT AND DRY "Wag the Dog" Scenario! Our government has known Bin Laden's whereabouts for at least five years, but they have been keeping him alive for a "Politically Expedient Moment". That moment came last Sunday, and was used to distract the publics attention once and for all from his eligibility. The birth certificate NEVER WAS THE ISSUE! And with the disappearance of the definition from online dictionaries, there can be no refuting that SOMEBODY IS HIDING SOMETHING!

I CAN NOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH: The REAL issue concerning Obama's eligibility is and ALWAYS HAS BEEN, his Natural Born Status! Since his father was a Kenyan national and NEVER held US citizenship, OBAMA CAN NOT MEET THIS REQUIREMENT! The Birth certificate as I have ALWAYS maintained, was a distraction. But since that Distraction was discarded on the 27th, Bin Laden was given to use to replace it! Look at the facts:

Obama created the conspiracy theory about his PLACE OF BIRTH by deliberately refusing to release the long form, for the sole purpose of distracting us from the REAL issue. He let it build for 3 years, going so far as to imprison Terrence Lakin for demanding proof of Obama's eligibility. Focus began to shift this spring to the Natural Born requirement, and people began to point out the fact that he does not meet this requirement. When he finally released the Birth Certificate, he stated quite explicitly that “I know that theres going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest”. After a moment of triumph, Obama delivers up to us another mystery. Osama Bin Laden is dead, but we disposed of the body, and we WILL NOT be releasing any photographic proof of our claim. He then goes on to state that, "There are going to be some folks who deny it. The fact of the matter is you won't see bin Laden walking on this earth again."

This is THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO he used with the Birth Certificate! He has created a second distraction to keep you away from his eligibility. The refusal to provide evidence of Bin Ladens death WILL create conspiracy theories, and THAT is what Obama is hedging his bets on. He has given us Bin Laden to keep us distracted!

IT'S A FUCKING COVER-UP, PEOPLE!

Bron: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 477742/pg1

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vr 06 mei 2011, 19:47

Ik zie het probleem niet dat een buitenlander president kan worden.. maar dan moet dat natuurlijk wel aangegeven worden..
Waarom de cia niet gewoon een amerikaan heeft gekozen weet k niet, misschien was obama de enige neger die ze hadden om president te worden.
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[quote=""Vrillon" post=31494"]Ik zie het probleem niet dat een buitenlander president kan worden.. maar dan moet dat natuurlijk wel aangegeven worden..
Waarom de cia niet gewoon een amerikaan heeft gekozen weet k niet, misschien was obama de enige neger die ze hadden om president te worden.[/quote]

Of al dat geroeptoeter over of Obomba wel niet Amerikanski is, leid mooi de aandacht af van alles en nog wat en dat komt de cia vast wel goed uit.


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[quote=""Vrillon" post=31494"]Ik zie het probleem niet dat een buitenlander president kan worden..[/quote]
Omdat het de wet is. De president dient een geboren Amerikaan te zijn.

Daarnaast is de USA uiteraard aardig patriotisch dus het land laten lijden* door een buitenlander is toch enigszins 'not done'



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vr 06 mei 2011, 23:18

@melkor
Snats ik.. Maar het is toch onzin.. als ik daar kom en zeg ik ben dan wel geboren in nederland maar ik wil president worden, dit is mijn programma.. Dan is het toch aan die amerikanen om op mij te stemmen of niet..
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vr 06 mei 2011, 23:45

Die regel is ooit ingevoerd om te voorkomen dat iemand vanuit het Britse Koningshuis naar Amerika zou kunnen komen om daar vervolgens een campagne op te kunnen zetten en zo president te kunnen worden...

Dat gaat dus al zo ver terug als het ontstaan van de VS...

Maar ik las ook ergens dat men de regels geheel onopvallend in 2006 veranderd zou hebben... (heeft met Obama ingedekt?)
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