Project MX en een nucleaire oorlog

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Zoals ik eerder vandaag al aangaf in een vorig artikel, had ik een aangenaam onderhoud via Skype met onze eigen heuse QFF informant "Q." Het gesprek verliep fijn en we bespraken diverse kwesties. Zo ook het project MX, of ook wel Raket Project MX genoemd. Dit paradepaardje van President Jimmy Carter van de Verenigde Staten is wellicht toch iets anders dan we tot nu toe hebben gedacht. Of toch niet? Waarom in godsnaam een systeem bouwen om dus meet te kunnen toeslaan als je zelf mogelijk a bent aangevallen? Tja, daar heb ik na mijn gesprek met "Q." nog lang over na zitten denken vanmiddag...

Er is namelijk een theorie waar "Q." me op wees aangaande een nucleaire explosie en de interval waarmee ernstig rekening gehouden dient te worden alvorens je succesvol een volgende nucleaire explosie zou plaats willen laten vinden binnen een bepaald oppervlakte. Hoe moet ik dit simplistisch uit gaan leggen? Tja, daar leg ik mezelf een mooie vraag voor... Oké, heb je even? Zie het als volgt: Zodra er een nucleaire explosie plaats laat vinden op zeg  en spreek 500 meter boven de grond, dan is het NIET mogelijk een tweede "BOM" af te laten gaan in de wijde omgeving van de locatie waar dus net een explosie plaats heeft gevonden.

De andere "BOM" zal niet knallen omdat er een verstoring in de tijd / ruimte heeft plaatsgevonden. Dit geeft dus een scherpe piek welke nog enige tijd resoneert. Een andere ontploffing in deze korte tijdspanne, vermoedelijk niet meer dan een minuut, kan niet plaatsvinden omdat de kettingreactie niet kan plaatsvinden. De neutronen zijn enigszins van slag en reizen niet met dezelfde snelheid. Iedere H bom heeft als ontsteking een gewone kernbom en dit ding doet het dan dus niet goed.

Dit hebben de Amerikanen en de Russen zelf ook ontdekt (met een beetje verstand zo uit te rekenen aan de hand van de tests die gedaan zijn door de jaren heen *) waarna ze overschakelden op simulaties van explosies gegenereerd met computers. De vraag is dan echter waarom dan toch het MX Raket Project? Als de Amerikanen hier wetenschap van hadden waarom dan toch dat MX Raket Project doorzetten? Wellicht dus voor hele andere doeleinden? Wilden de Amerikanen met het MX Raket Project misschien een vorm van bescherming creëren tegen bedreigingen van buiten de aarde? Daar zou je dus een hoop over kunnen speculeren ware het niet dat daar ook theorieën over bestaan. En die dus een mooi platform kunnen vormen voor verdere discussie en het delen van kennis en uitwisselen daarvan.

Of hoeven we ons hier over, na het uitschakelen van nucleaire wapens door aliens , geen zorgen meer te maken? Of is er misschien na de koude oorlog en het vallen ven het ijzeren gordijn toch wat nucleair speelgoed terecht gekomen in verkeerde handen?



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Aanvullende informatie van "Q." in de vorm van een link:

http://www.ctbto.org/specials/1945-1998 ... hashimoto/
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Of is er misschien na de koude oorlog en het vallen ven het ijzeren gordijn toch wat nucleair speelgoed terecht gekomen in verkeerde handen?
Niet om het een of ander, maar was dat nucleair speelgoed niet altijd al in de verkeerde handen?
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Tja ik heb wel eens gehoord dat er in Rusland de nodige koffertjes zoek zijn geraakt...

Wel eens van Alexander Lebed gehoord?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Lebed
In May 1997, Lebed informed six members of Congress about these missing weapons during their visit to Moscow. Lebed told the delegation, led by Representative Curt Weldon (R PA), that he could only locate 48 out of the 132 suitcase sized nuclear devices. However, during his "60 Minutes" appearance in September, Lebed asserted that more than 100 out of an estimated total of 250 weapons are unaccounted for. Although uncertain about their location, he speculated that they could be somewhere in Georgia, Ukraine or the Baltic states.
Tja waar zullen ze gebleven zijn? Al bestaan hierover ook wel wat verschillende theorieën...
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The Claim

On 7 September 1997, the CBS newsmagazine Sixty Minutes broadcast an alarming story in which former Russian National Security Adviser Aleksandr Lebed claimed that the Russian military had lost track of more than 100 suitcase-sized nuclear bombs, any one of which could kill up to 100,000 people.

"I'm saying that more than a hundred weapons out of the supposed number of 250 are not under the control of the armed forces of Russia," Lebed said in the interview. "I don't know their location. I don't know whether they have been destroyed or whether they are stored or whether they've been sold or stolen, I don't know."

Asked if it were possible that the authorities did know where all the weapons were and simply did not want to tell Lebed, he said, "No."

During May 1997 Lebed said at a private briefing to a delegation of U.S. congressmen that he believed 84 of the one-kiloton bombs were unaccounted for. In the interview with 60 Minutes, conducted in late August, Lebed said he now believed the figure to be more than 100.

Lebed stated that these devices were made to look like suitcases, and could be detonated by one person within half an hour. According to Lebed, he learned of the existence of these weapons developed for special operations only a few years before. While national security adviser to Yeltsin he commissioned a study to report on the whereabouts of these devices. Lebed was fired as national security adviser 17 October 1996 amid intense political jostling while President Boris Yeltsin was awaiting heart surgery. He admits that he had only preliminary results of his investigation at that time, and these results are the basis of his subsequent claims.

The bombs, measuring 60 x 40 x 20 centimeters (24 x 16 x 8 inches), had been distributed among special Soviet military intelligence units belonging to the GRU, Lebed said.
The Reaction

The official response of the US government was given by State Department spokesman James Foley on 5 September (based on CBS' pre-release of the interview transcript).

The government of Russia has assured (us) that it retains adequate command and control of its nuclear arsenal and that appropriate physical security arrangements exist for these weapons and facilities.

We have been assured by the Russian authorities that there is no cause for concern. We believe the assurances we have received,

Foley said.

Russia's atomic energy ministry further rejected Lebed's claims on 10 September.

"We don't know what General Lebed is talking about. No such weapons exist," a ministry spokesman told AFP. "Perhaps he meant old Soviet nuclear artillery shells, which are all being safely guarded."

Interfax news agency quoted a ministry statement as saying Russia's nuclear security system "keeps nuclear warheads under tight control and makes any unauthorized transportation of them impossible."

Lebed has been warning of poor security over nuclear weapons in Russia since at least late 1996, when he met with Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana (28 November 1996). At the time Lebed had called controls over nuclear material in the former Soviet Union "unsatisfactory," making Russia vulnerable at nuclear plants and facilities. Lugar and Georgia Democrat Sam Nunn sponsored a law in 1991 that provides American technical aid to Russia to eliminate nuclear warheads made redundant by arms control pacts, and account for and control nuclear material.

Questions about Lebed's credibility were immediately raised. Abruptly cast out of power, presumably leaving him with grudges, he was likely to be a leading contender in the next presidential election. In elections in June 1996 he placed third, behind Yeltsin.

State Department spokesman Foley said Lebed's allegations carried "not a lot of credibility."

He said US officials have often raised the matter of nuclear security with their Russian counterparts and that "we've been assured by the Russian authorities that there's no cause for concern."

Another stream of criticism about the Sixty Minutes report was directed at the producers of the story. A good account of this was given (perhaps surprisingly) in the Sept. 27 - October 3 issue of TV Guide (pg. 49). The situation was that the producer of the story, Leslie Cockburn, was currently promoting a book she co-wrote with her husband Andrew on the dangers of nuclear terrorism called One Point Safe. In addition the Cockburns were co-producers of a just released, Dreamworks SKG film The Peacemaker. The star commentator of the Sixty Minutes report, ex-National Security Council staffer Jessica Stern, was a paid consultant to The Peacemaker, and allegedly was the model for the character played by Nicole Kidman. Stern was also working on her own book on nuclear terrorism.

While the interlocking self-interests involving the various participants in the preparation of the Sixty Minutes report certainly do not prove any disingenuousness on the part of any of them, it did nothing to bolster the credibility of the claims.
Subsequent Reports

Lebed later testified before the Congressional Military Research and Development Subcommittee at a hearing on 1 October 1997 where he stated that the bombs were made to look like suitcases and could be detonated by one person with less than 30 minutes preparation. Lebed's claim that such devices had been manufactured were corroborated on 3 October by testimony from Russian scientist Alexei Yablokov, former environmental advisor to President Yeltsin while serving on the Russian National Security Council (see www.house.gov/curtweldon/pr_100397.htm). According to the press release from Rep. Curt Weldon's office (R-Pa):

Yablokov stated that he personally knows individuals who produced these suitcase-size nuclear devices under orders from the KGB in the 1970s specifically for terrorist purposes. As a result of their being produced for the KGB, Yablokov has stated that they may not have been taken into account in the Soviet general nuclear arsenal and may not be under the control of the Russian Defense Ministry.

For Yablokov's comments on suitcase nukes and Lebed given on WGBH/Frontline see http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... ments.html.

Weldon has further said that the Russian government eventually acknowledged that such weapons had been produced.

In a later floor speech (Security Issues Relating to Russia, 28 October 1999) Weldon asserted that a total of 132 devices had been built with yields from 1 to 10 kilotons, and that 48 were unaccounted for.

For discussion of the technical feasibility of Lebed's suitcase bombs see Are Suitcase Bombs Possible?.
The Burton-Lunev Hearing

A second chapter in the Soviet suitcase bomb affair began with a Congressional hearing on Russian espionage held by Rep. Dan Burton (R-Indiana) on 24 January 2000 in Washington, DC. Soviet ex-colonel and GRU operative Stanislav Lunev was the star witness at the sparsely attended Military Research and Development Subcommittee hearing, chaired by Rep. Curt Weldon (R-Penn.).

Featured at the hearing was a mock-up of a notional briefcase bomb. In his opening comments Weldon described this exhibit:

The model is based on unclassified data on the components in an atomic artillery shell, to see if such a system could be reassembled in a suitcase. Indeed, as it turns out, the physics package, neutron generators, batteries, arming mechanism and other essentials of a small atomic weapon can fit, just barely, in an attache case. The result is a plutonium-fueled gun-type atomic weapon having a yield of one-to-ten kilotons, the same yield range attributed by General Lebed to the Russian "nuclear suitcase" weapon.

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Presumably Weldon's reference to it being "gun-type" refers to it being fired from a gun, not its assembly method.

Mock-up of a hypothetical "suitcase" nuclear bomb, made by Congressional
staffer Peter Pry. It is basically a 105 mm artillery shell device packaged in a
large briefcase.

The key point of the hearing was Lunev's additional allegations that nuclear suitcase bombs may have been pre-positioned in NATO countries during the Cold War, in a manner similar to the way other espionage resources including conventional explosives were known to have been cached.

Weldon summarized Lunev's claims:

Lunev defected to the United States in 1992 after working for more than a decade in the U.S. as a GRU operative. Lunev participated in a GRU program collecting information on the President and senior U.S. political and military leaders so they may be targeted for assassination in the event of war. According to Lunev, small man-portable nuclear weapons "that could be disguised to look like a suitcase" would be employed in a decapitating Russian attack against U.S. leaders and key communications and military facilities. Colonel Lunev claimed that the Russian military and intelligence services still regard the United States as the enemy and consider war with the U.S. as "inevitable."

Colonel Lunev stated that man-portable nuclear weapons may already be located in the United States. Lunev's claim is based on his understanding of GRU doctrine for employing these weapons, which calls for pre-positioning nuclear weapons in the United States during peacetime, before a crisis or war makes penetration of the U.S. more difficult. Lunev testified that he actively supported the GRU program to pre-position man-portable nuclear weapons in the United States by identifying in the U.S. potential hiding places where such weapons could be stored and concealed until needed. Lunev was specially trained to disguise and camouflage such weapons.

One account of the hearing ran as follows:

Much of Lunev's testimony was a repeat of allegations made in his 1998 book in which he said Russia's post-Cold War leaders still see the United States as the enemy.

Lunev, who is in the federal witness protection program, said he masqueraded as a reporter for the Russian news agency ITAR-Tass for three years during which he scouted "drop sites" for weapons caches in the U.S. But he said he has no idea if they were ever planted.

Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa., suggested in November that the spy caches might include suitcase-sized nuclear weapons that can produce a 10-kiloton blast.

Weldon, who also testified Monday, stood at one point, holding up a large briefcase and announced: "I have a small atomic demolition device I'd like to bring up to you."

Burton quickly reassured the audience that it was "a mockup" created by the CIA.

Russian officials have confirmed their arsenal includes such devices, but investigators have said there is no evidence they are part of the purported hidden stockpiles.

"Ex-Spy Testifies in Hearing", Linda Deutsch, AP Special Correspondent, Tuesday, Jan. 25, 2000; 3:59 a.m. EST

This hearing has most recently reached public attention when it was recounted in the October 2, 2001 edition of the National Enquirer, page 16.

BRON:http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/Lebedbomb.html
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Ik doelde meer op die wereldmachten die de wapens ontwikkeld hebben... :P Persoonlijk vind ik dat ook al speeltjes in de verkeerde handen (het is daarnaast meer dan eens bijna mis gegaan).

Stel je voor dat de nazi's de bom eerder af hadden gehad...

Overigens - vrij gekopieerd van wikipedia:
Veel bekende wetenschappers, vooral natuurkundigen en wiskundigen, werkten mee in het team dat de eerste atoombom ontwierp, zoals Richard Feynman, Murray Gell-Mann, David Bohm, John von Neumann, Robert Oppenheimer (wetenschappelijk projectleider), Edward Teller, Niels Bohr, Samuel Goudsmit, Leó Szilárd ...

Nu wil ik niet zomaar gekke dingen zeggen of de nazi uithangen.. maar is het toevallig dat een groot deel van het team van het Manhattanproject van joodse afkomst was?
Straks heeft Ahmedinedjad nog een punt als hij zegt dat de Holocaust een zionistisch complot is... :-?
Of is dat 'a bridge too far' :oops:
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Daar zeg je wat! Velen van hun zelfs Asjkenazische Joden zie ik...

:rudolfsteiner:

verdampft nochmal!
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hmm .. is het volgende dan toeval .. ?
AsjkeNAZIsche Joden ... en Nazi Jodenvervolging

Synchromysticism at play here ... :-|
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Nog interessant mbt nucleaire oorlog, de kernwapens die in Nederland opgeslagen lagen/liggen:
http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news/14409 ... olkel.aspx
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Ik vergat geheel aan te geven waarvoor het project MX nu eigenlijk diende! Sorry! "Q." kwam hier terecht even mee in ons gesprek vandaag en vandaar dat ik het bij deze nog even als aanvulling wil plaatsen. Het MX Project was dus eigenlijk er op gericht om Atoombommen boven Amerikaans grondgebied tot exploderen te brengen om zo de bom van de vijand dus net voor te zijn en daarmee die bom van de vijand dus onschadelijk te maken. En dus niet zo zeer als Star - Wars het geen wel een mooie dekmantel was voor een wapen dat de vijandelijke atoombom met een eigen atoombom en dus met opoffering van eigen burgers onschadelijk kon maken!
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Ik wist dat dit verhaal ooit op zou gaan duiken... :pinch: :pinch:

[quote=""Baphomet" post=8264"]Tja ik heb wel eens gehoord dat er in Rusland de nodige koffertjes zoek zijn geraakt...

Wel eens van Alexander Lebed gehoord?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Lebed
In May 1997, Lebed informed six members of Congress about these missing weapons during their visit to Moscow. Lebed told the delegation, led by Representative Curt Weldon (R PA), that he could only locate 48 out of the 132 suitcase sized nuclear devices. However, during his "60 Minutes" appearance in September, Lebed asserted that more than 100 out of an estimated total of 250 weapons are unaccounted for. Although uncertain about their location, he speculated that they could be somewhere in Georgia, Ukraine or the Baltic states.
Tja waar zullen ze gebleven zijn? Al bestaan hierover ook wel wat verschillende theorieën...[/quote]

Ik heb dat geruime tijd terug geplaatst, als in maanden terug...

bron: index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&c ... d=120#8264

Welk verhaal ik bedoel?

Lees maar even mee, vers van de pers, zo uit het nieuws...
Muslim Terrorists Claim They Have Acquired a Nuclear Bomb!

There are several reports coming from multiple Muslim nations in the Middle East that a group of Muslim Terrorists have acquired a nuclear weapon. The weapon is said to have been bought on the black market and could be one of Russia’s missing missiles.

“We have a nuclear bomb ready to be fired at a moment’s notice.” “America and its allies need to leave all Muslim nations at once or this nuclear bomb will be used and millions will perish at the hands of the evil infidels.” This is what several news outlets are reporting throughout multiple Middle Eastern countries during the past week. The statements are coming from a group of Muslim Extremists who have not identified themselves by name yet. So far, America and its allies are not taking the threat too seriously and are saying that there is absolutely no evidence that these Extremists could even acquire a nuclear weapon. While the American government and its allies are not taking the threat seriously, there are many people who are taking it with a grain of caution.

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With the end of the Cold War and the dismantling of the Soviet Union several decades ago, most people assumed that the nuclear threat was, if not over, at least extremely diminished. Then came news that there were several nuclear weapons missing from the former Soviet Union’s stockpile. The number of missing missiles have never been officially confirmed due to sloppy paperwork and missing documents, but most estimates place the missing missiles at anywhere between 5 to 7 bombs. So, where are these missing bombs? Amazingly, most experts agree that they will end up on the black market eventually and some say that they are already being sold and resold. Could it actually be possible that one of these bombs has ended up in Terrorists hands?

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Whether this story is true or not, it is certainly something that we need to be concerned about. Fortunately, most of the announcements like this one that come out of these news channels in the Middle East end up being just propaganda meant to cause panic and worry to America and its allies. This is not to say that we don’t need to take these threats seriously though when they arise. In fact, we should always take whatever threats we receive and investigate them fully before discounting them. It was only a decade ago that we were under the impression that we would not be attacked on our home turf but after 9/11 that idea has fully changed. It should also be noted that there ARE several missing nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union and it is not outlandish to assume that one of these bombs could end up in terrorists hands. Another cause for concern is the willingness for Russia to continue to work with the government of Iran in developing and helping them build their nuclear program.

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So, should we be concerned with this news story? The answer is an emphatic YES! To sum it up, we live in a time where America and its allies are under constant threat from terrorists on a daily basis. We really need to take every threat that we receive as a possible scenario no matter how outrageous it seems at the time. A nuclear bomb explosion would have the potential to kill hundreds of thousands of people, possibly millions. It is up to America, its allies and its citizens to make sure that we do everything in our power to make sure this does not happen.
Bron: http://socyberty.com/issues/muslim-terr ... lear-bomb/

Ook een draadje op GLP: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 692959/pg1

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De Tsar Bomba. Check deze vergelijking.

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WTF! :|
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Ik kwam dit oude draadje tegen dat ergens best wel een beetje actueel is...

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